She did the terminating session with SS and she was supposed to do a terminating session with the oldest. Instead she called me in and for an hour she was totally passive aggressive with me the entire time. She verbally attacked me left and right for an hour and spent less than 15 minutes terminating with the oldest.
She said she wanted to talk to me. I went in the room and we sat down, she told me that she felt that *I* had a problem with her. I told her that I likED her and thought she was going to help us but after I started telling her that the kids didn't want to see her anymore she started treating me badly and I wasn't happy about that.
She told me she felt all this happened when I asked for a week off. I told her it had actually happened two weeks before that. The kids came to me after a session and were telling me they didn't feel comfortable with her anymore because she asks weird questions. I don't know how many times I told her who and what but she still thinks it's because of me. I told her that I never promised the kids they would get to do other activities if they didn't have therapy. I told her what I tell them. They have to earn it, they have to do what they are supposed to do and they have to act their age.
She told me that the kids have expressed that they don't want to stop coming to see her. I said really because when I talked to SS today and told her it was her last day with you she pumped her fist in the air and did a dance.
She said "Really, SS?" I said yeah and the only reason I told her about that was because she had already terminated with SS. So I knew she couldn't go after her.
So then she says "Well maybe she thinks if she doesn't come back she is all better." I say whatever. My kids don't like you. She scares them and intimidates them.
She said she didn't understand what I meant by her being mean and wanted an example. So, I told her about the session with the boy where she told me that I was basically only going to be a caregiver because I'm not mother material.
She said she felt that I had misunderstood what she was saying. I sat back because I thought "hmmm, ok." and I listened to her tell me that I am a great manager and that is what the kids need but they also need love and affection. I agreed. But please help me out here because if that's not reiterating that I am not mother material, than what the hell is she really saying...please toss your two cents in. As a mother, how would you feel if that was said to you?
Anyhow, I just nodded my head thinking this was not worth the fight. I guess she wasn't happy with my response because she kept picking. She said "you think that these kids don't have issues." I sat forward and I said " I know these kids have issues." Then she told me that she thinks that I don't think that I'm as bad as I am. I believe it was "I don't think you know that your issues are as bad as they are." I told her I knew that I was messed up. I wasn't projecting my own abuses on my kids. I can recognize some of what they are feeling because I went through some of the same stuff myself. I can see the pain or the fear on their faces and feel what they are going through. She basically said she doubted that I had been through anything near what they had but not in those words.
That seemed to make her happy. But not enough. She said she wanted to talk to me about spanking the children. Now let me tell you before these children, I had never spanked a child in my life. I didn't know what to do anymore and I told her I was going to start spanking she said "Just don't leave any marks." I remember looking at her incredulously and telling her "I'm not going to beat them." After that declaration it was 2 weeks before anyone got spanked in my house. Even then it only lasted about a month and it wasn't a regular occurrence. I'm back to believing spanking doesn't work. Plus, if she had done her job she would have let me know when I first told her. She knew no one had been spanked yet.
She told me that spanking them was abusive. When I spanked the children, I pulled them over my lap and pulled down there pants and gave them a swat. Also, when they were talking back to me and screaming and wouldn't stop I would swat them on the mouth after three warnings and telling them to go to their room. That happened like 4 times total with three different children. I told her I was doing that she didn't say it was bad or not to. Of course, now I know.
I really didn't see how spanking them in that way was abusive or sexually abusive. If she would have said that to me I wouldn't have done it again. For me, when my Aunt spanked me once that way when I was a child it was the most civil I had ever been disciplined in my life. I remember it clearly because I hadn't done anything wrong. My play doh had dried up some and I had read on the jar that I was supposed to add a tiny bit of water to it when that happened. So I was doing that when I got in "trouble".
I've been flung from my hair into a closet because I was the oldest and my sister lost her shoe and I needed to find it because my mom was going to be late for work. My mom routinely smacked me or pulled my hair and threw me around for the sins of my sisters. My step father punched me in the face for no other reason but because I was there. I was plugging in a vacuum and when I turned around he punched me hard in the face. He also punched me on my head several times because he was jealous of the attention my maternal family gave me. That's abuse to me. I did not see a swat as abuse. I do not like to spank and it was always the final straw.
Because of what had happened to me, with my kids, I made extra sure if any of the kids got a spanking that I knew what happened exactly by seeing it with my own eyes, if there was any ambiguity I did not spank and they are all liars so most of the time it was anyone's guess and nothing happened. I also clearly told them three times if they didn't stop they would get a swat and that it was their choice.
At any rate, I figured out that's what she was threatening me about when she said there were things she could report me on but hadn't. I say report away. There hasn't been any spanking in over two months. That's how short-lived that episode was. It makes me angry because I would go in and tell her. There hasn't been any spanking for 2 days, a week, etc... I was proud of them and I told them I didn't like to do it and didn't want to. If she thought it was bad why didn't she tell me, why did she let me do it? So she could have something on me? Because that's what it feels like. She has that smug look on her face. I had to find out from a book that I should have never done that.
She said that she doesn't understand how I could do the therapeutic hold (that she told me and taught me to do by the way) but I wouldn't give my kids affection.
First, my kids get affection--when they want it. I explained to her how I felt about forced affection being a violation and not affection. Plus, I told her I didn't understand what she was saying. She said that I am so willing to discipline my kids but not give them affection and she doesn't understand. I told her that I didn't know that the therapeutic hold was a form of a discipline. She said "really?" sarcastically "well what did you think it was?". I told her I thought it was a way to help protect the child from hurting themself when they were thrashing and tantruming and then a way to try to bond when it was over.
She didn't have anything to say about that and BTW, I don't believe for a minute a therapeutic hold is a form of discipline. We haven't used the hold in a long time either.
She said that she can't believe that I find forcing affection on my children sexually abusive but not spanking them. I told her I didn't think the manner I was spanking them in was abusive. There was no sexual intent or innuendo. Nothing like that ever crossed my mind.
Then she said, still sarcastically, "Well I'm sorry if I snapped at you that day but it upsets me that a mother can't hug her children. I can't wrap my head around that. I hope that you are able to grow and get over your issues and love these children."
I gave up, I just looked her dead in the eye and I told her "I will" I mean there's no point in fighting with the almighty herself (as she thinks she is).
You can ask my kids if they are getting enough love and affection and they will tell you they are. You can ask my kids if they get hugs and affection when they want and they will tell you they do.
She keeps asking them if they are getting enough attention and affection to the point that they are tired of it.
She's blaming me for their RAD symptoms. The lying, the stealing, the tantrums, etc... it's my fault because I'm not giving them enough love and attention. Which is hilarious to me because when I told her that I too wanted to end sessions so I could have more time at home with the kids she told me I was doing all that I could and that I was doing everything right and that there was five of them and only one of me and there would never be enough to go around. So which is it?
Oh but let me tell you, all the kids successes, they aren't because of my work with the kids nor the kids hard work at all. It's all because of her therapy. I don't see how us all sitting around telling on each other while she yawns is therapy and I think she knew it because she told me she stopped working on bonding with us because no bonding could be done when there was so much chaos and trouble going on...does that even make sense? It seems by not working on bonding we are just perpetuating the trouble.
I want to know-- Moms with RAD kids in therapy...have your therapists ever told you to force affection on your children? You know when they are mad at the world and hate you with the fiercest of hates because you breathe? When they are stiff and uncomfortable or when they tell you not to hug them or touch them?
The other thing that happened is that the boy went in for his terminating session today happy and hugging me and stuff and when he came out he wouldn't even look at me and he seemed angry with me. I tried to talk to him but he didn't seem to want anything to do with me which was strange. He loosened up after we went outside of the office and walked around while we waited for CDQ to finish.
At dinner, I reminded Poufy that her last day was tomorrow. I talked to Hubs about how weird the boy was acting and Hubs said it was like she was turning them against us.
That's when CDQ piped in that she was too scared to tell us but a while ago the therapist had asked her if I was a bad person because she (the therapist) told her that she thought I was a bad person. I was going to ask her more about it but Hubs thought she was lying and told her that the therapist would never say I was a bad person. I told Hubs "after she called me in last time I wouldn't be surprised if she did" ( I hadn't talked to Hubs about all that had transpired because I didn't want to say anything with the kids around.)
So that's where we stand going into our last appointment today. I think if she asks to speak to me again I am going to decline because I am tired of biting my tongue and I'm apt to tell her where to go with detailed verbal instructions.
